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	<title>Comments on: Ahmed Shuja Pasha, New ISI Chief</title>
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		<title>By: ghufran Khan</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-34644</link>
		<dc:creator>ghufran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From ghufran Australia

ISI is not only the name of  military inteligence but infact if any body knows it is the first line defence for pakistan.Respect for ISI is exist in our blood, we must stand by ISI as patriotic pakistani.Amirica and world media target ISI becuase ISI does not allow anybody to destroy pakistan.No ISI means no Pakistan.Changing the ISI cheif does not mean changing the policy of ISI.Up untill ISI is in tact, pakistan will intac too.The world power want to deprive us from ISI. so that we become afghanistan and Iraq.Live long ISI and pakistan.ISI is currently fighting for the survival of paksitan as we are sorounded by enemy deprive us from our nuclear nukes, as they have important role to play.</description>
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<p>ISI is not only the name of  military inteligence but infact if any body knows it is the first line defence for pakistan.Respect for ISI is exist in our blood, we must stand by ISI as patriotic pakistani.Amirica and world media target ISI becuase ISI does not allow anybody to destroy pakistan.No ISI means no Pakistan.Changing the ISI cheif does not mean changing the policy of ISI.Up untill ISI is in tact, pakistan will intac too.The world power want to deprive us from ISI. so that we become afghanistan and Iraq.Live long ISI and pakistan.ISI is currently fighting for the survival of paksitan as we are sorounded by enemy deprive us from our nuclear nukes, as they have important role to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Anwer Kamal</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-17278</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwer Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the tome proved that Kiani and Pasha are our best available army stuff. (Till they do not enter in power play). However I am sorry N$ and Showbaz are playing the traditional Punjabi politex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the tome proved that Kiani and Pasha are our best available army stuff. (Till they do not enter in power play). However I am sorry N$ and Showbaz are playing the traditional Punjabi politex.</p>
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		<title>By: aurangzeb khan</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-13334</link>
		<dc:creator>aurangzeb khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will any one please tell me who realy is rulling pakistan.is it reallythe 2.5% fudels who become fudels cause english gave them lands when the were leaving india in responce to their favoir for english.
who really make our foreign policy.how come we even after 61 years not independent.why would we take advises from us even to appoint an important office.it looks like they are more responsible to the us than to thair own people.
some body please tell me.i am a student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will any one please tell me who realy is rulling pakistan.is it reallythe 2.5% fudels who become fudels cause english gave them lands when the were leaving india in responce to their favoir for english.<br />
who really make our foreign policy.how come we even after 61 years not independent.why would we take advises from us even to appoint an important office.it looks like they are more responsible to the us than to thair own people.<br />
some body please tell me.i am a student.</p>
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		<title>By: aurangzeb khan</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>aurangzeb khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lef sujha pasha refuses to meet the higer authorities of us.thats indicate that there is sort of conflict.
how nice would be that if those people start discussing the matters with the elected people who come into power on the basis of public ulikethe old time when henry kissinger use to threat the rulers not to suport them in case if the do not go along with them,which might not be in the best intrest of pakistan.
what i can not understand is that why would the us allowed some one as cheif of isi or joint cheif of staff who will disoby them or may be the institutions in pakistan is getting stronger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lef sujha pasha refuses to meet the higer authorities of us.thats indicate that there is sort of conflict.<br />
how nice would be that if those people start discussing the matters with the elected people who come into power on the basis of public ulikethe old time when henry kissinger use to threat the rulers not to suport them in case if the do not go along with them,which might not be in the best intrest of pakistan.<br />
what i can not understand is that why would the us allowed some one as cheif of isi or joint cheif of staff who will disoby them or may be the institutions in pakistan is getting stronger</p>
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		<title>By: ejaz</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-11391</link>
		<dc:creator>ejaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISI is one of the best and very well organized intelligence agency in the word and am agee with danish its our        life line</description>
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		<title>By: ejaz</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-11389</link>
		<dc:creator>ejaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i proud of isi and its performence.keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i proud of isi and its performence.keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Arif Rafiq</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-9639</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif Rafiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maj. Amin, I guess you are replying to Danish, not me.  I did not articulate an opinion on the ISI.  

I agree with many of your criticisms, as I too find the strategic thinking in Pakistan quite lacking (comprehensively).  And the problem from any authoritarian system (civilian or military) is that in restricting opposition/competition it reifies its own internal weaknesses (by eliminating potential external corrective forces), reduces the pool of intellectual capital, and becomes overly concerned with self-preservation.  

Your claim that the army is not politically neutral is very interesting, given that Gen. Kayani announced the closure of the ISI&#039;s political cell on Saturday.  What do you make of that?  And are you suggesting that the Army is in favor of the PML-N coming to power (either because of direct support for it, or because it would provide a more favorable political context/cover)?  Who are the Army&#039;s &quot;political proxies?&quot;  Specific, contemporary evidence would be very helpful.  

I must say reading your writing elsewhere (particularly book reviews) gives the impression that you are very bitter.  That is not to say such an outlook is unwarranted in Pakistan.  I like your critical approach, though I find it a bit petty on occasion.  It would be interesting to read why you feel the way you do.  

Also, as with your previous comment, you are long on criticism and short on your own, independent ideas or alternatives.  The latter would be very welcome.  It might be difficult to provide one for today&#039;s Pakistan, but then what&#039;s the use of commenting if it has no potential contemporary usage?  Alternatively, it would be interesting to see a more detailed critique of Pakistan&#039;s Afghan strategy of the 80s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maj. Amin, I guess you are replying to Danish, not me.  I did not articulate an opinion on the ISI.  </p>
<p>I agree with many of your criticisms, as I too find the strategic thinking in Pakistan quite lacking (comprehensively).  And the problem from any authoritarian system (civilian or military) is that in restricting opposition/competition it reifies its own internal weaknesses (by eliminating potential external corrective forces), reduces the pool of intellectual capital, and becomes overly concerned with self-preservation.  </p>
<p>Your claim that the army is not politically neutral is very interesting, given that Gen. Kayani announced the closure of the ISI&#8217;s political cell on Saturday.  What do you make of that?  And are you suggesting that the Army is in favor of the PML-N coming to power (either because of direct support for it, or because it would provide a more favorable political context/cover)?  Who are the Army&#8217;s &#8220;political proxies?&#8221;  Specific, contemporary evidence would be very helpful.  </p>
<p>I must say reading your writing elsewhere (particularly book reviews) gives the impression that you are very bitter.  That is not to say such an outlook is unwarranted in Pakistan.  I like your critical approach, though I find it a bit petty on occasion.  It would be interesting to read why you feel the way you do.  </p>
<p>Also, as with your previous comment, you are long on criticism and short on your own, independent ideas or alternatives.  The latter would be very welcome.  It might be difficult to provide one for today&#8217;s Pakistan, but then what&#8217;s the use of commenting if it has no potential contemporary usage?  Alternatively, it would be interesting to see a more detailed critique of Pakistan&#8217;s Afghan strategy of the 80s.</p>
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		<title>By: A.H Amin</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-9638</link>
		<dc:creator>A.H Amin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>further to this a major reaso why the ISI and the military inteligence chiefs were removed was because they both were relatives of general musharraf ( and were percieved as very close to him) ,as I see it having interacted with the US military and NATO in Afghanistan as a contractor and security consultant , the Americans dont give a damn if nadeem taj or shuja pasha is the ISI boss.the bottom line is that anyone in their position will be bound by the same compulsions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>further to this a major reaso why the ISI and the military inteligence chiefs were removed was because they both were relatives of general musharraf ( and were percieved as very close to him) ,as I see it having interacted with the US military and NATO in Afghanistan as a contractor and security consultant , the Americans dont give a damn if nadeem taj or shuja pasha is the ISI boss.the bottom line is that anyone in their position will be bound by the same compulsions.</p>
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		<title>By: A.H Amin</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-9637</link>
		<dc:creator>A.H Amin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>instead of glorifying ISI or superficial analysis we have to realise the fact that the problem is grave and has a long historical past,the ISI or the generals are also not the angels that they are being painted.pakistans afghan policy from 1978 was not based on national considerations but narrow personal considerations of survival of an illegitimate military regime totally isolated.having said that the ISI strategy in afghanistan was deeply flawed.this is the opinion of many including a relative who was handling the major south afghanistan operations including kandahar etc from 1981 to 1992.the failure to have a north of hindu kush strategy and so many other failures led to pakistan getting the worst name in the world.now the situatio again is a compicated mix and i dont see any individual in a key position as changing it....already the army operations in NWFP are not in a good shape...the army is not politically neutral,it never was actually since 1954,just its the international pressure,now the army is manipulating through political proxies,so we should not be surprised if we see a PML N government in next 6 months.all maniplated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of glorifying ISI or superficial analysis we have to realise the fact that the problem is grave and has a long historical past,the ISI or the generals are also not the angels that they are being painted.pakistans afghan policy from 1978 was not based on national considerations but narrow personal considerations of survival of an illegitimate military regime totally isolated.having said that the ISI strategy in afghanistan was deeply flawed.this is the opinion of many including a relative who was handling the major south afghanistan operations including kandahar etc from 1981 to 1992.the failure to have a north of hindu kush strategy and so many other failures led to pakistan getting the worst name in the world.now the situatio again is a compicated mix and i dont see any individual in a key position as changing it&#8230;.already the army operations in NWFP are not in a good shape&#8230;the army is not politically neutral,it never was actually since 1954,just its the international pressure,now the army is manipulating through political proxies,so we should not be surprised if we see a PML N government in next 6 months.all maniplated</p>
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		<title>By: Anwer Kamal</title>
		<link>http://pakistanpolicy.com/2008/09/29/ahmad-shuja-pasha-new-isi-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-9611</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwer Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sorry to see it.ashamed to feel it but every body must see an artical with *** means an advertisement on front page of daily Jang and with a photograph at back page of daily *The News*about inaugration of a road called Express way from so called DHA welly.Please must see and write what do you feel and must look the photo and then deciede what is the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sorry to see it.ashamed to feel it but every body must see an artical with *** means an advertisement on front page of daily Jang and with a photograph at back page of daily *The News*about inaugration of a road called Express way from so called DHA welly.Please must see and write what do you feel and must look the photo and then deciede what is the future?</p>
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